I don't understand the choice of the werewolves.

What is that supposed to mean, Nxou ?
Are you trying to play the innocent ? :O

Christ was already suspected by some people. That's just weird.

I noticed yesterday that there have been a equality up and then ongena received votes for him.

Plus I have to mention that if a cupid dies fast by the villager's vote, it's possible that there are 2 traitor lovers, they may have persuaded one or the two wolves to vote for ongena.

I will be really cautious with those that followed me so easily. (and this is due only to the cupid role which implies a lot of possibilities with traitor !

GameMaster a écrit:

Spoiler:
Ongena (6) < Fiyatlar, Jonya, Sylph, Nxou, Frage, Christ
Fiyatlar (2) < Ongena, Morgan
Christ (2) < Arthur
Till Gray (1) < Till Gray
Did not vote : Toyoraura (asked for replacement)

Bad feeling against fiyatlar still plus sylph now, I don't know for frage and jonya.

There is also a good probability that toyoraura is a foe.

Of course Nxou, I totally followed you easily without thinking or expressing my thoughts.... How weird. I shall vote for myself! xD

Anyway, I was wondering about something. Does anyone who knows Ongena (pretty well) could tell me if he's used to make specific couples or if he's used to use his inspiration of the moment ? Cause indeed, the couple (if it is a traitor couple) may have spotted him and decided to kill him. But to spot someone as the cupid, people have to know if he left any clues about his role or if he made a classical couple (according to him). I didn't see him doing anything special. He didn't attacked a couple a people nor he didn't ask so many questions to one person in particular...

We'll have to see, but if a wolf dies today, I'm pretty sure the couple shall be a traitor couple. And then, looking for it will become a priority.


Anyway, I'll wait for other people's reaction, but my only suspect for the moment keeps being you, Nxou. Especially now that Ongena is dead as our Cupid. I wonder if he told you something special...... I mean to you... Or your potential lover ? I'll have to have a look !

Since I tend to forget my current games, I'll vote for Nxou (so that I don't forget to vote as I just did yesterday). But make sure it can change easily if I find anything stranger (and I bet I will).

Take something to clean the word 'POLICE' on the back of your hand sylph.

I'm not one of them, and you know that, you did not accuse me of something, you just want me dead.

sylph a écrit:

Anyway, I'll wait for other people's reaction, but my only suspect for the moment keeps being you, Nxou. Especially now that Ongena is dead as our Cupid. I wonder if he told you something special...... I mean to you... Or your potential lover ? I'll have to have a look !

wouah What a charge !

sylph a écrit:

But make sure it can change easily if I find anything stranger (and I bet I will).

What ? Is that fear ? you don't want people to read you just wanted me dead instead of being a member of the Thought Police ? Or you just want to discharge yourself for the future elimination of a villager ?

I'm very disappointed for yesterday, everyone just came at the end and made multiple post, that's not very kind ... I'll do some research when I'll find some time.

Is that ironic ? I wasn't charging you, just saying you were my suspect number one and I was gonna try to find evidences against you if I could. If I can't, and/or if I find evidences against some else, my vote shall change. Naturally. I believe you try to provoke people in order to get reactions and justify your votes. I don't like it, thought I shall try to forget about it cause emotions are no use for inquiries. ^^

Concerning your second remark, that's no fear, that would mostly be a threat to the thought police actually! you see things where there are not, appearantly. xDDD

I'm back.
Yes, it's weird, I suspected Christ as well (and in fact it was a mistake).
Jonya, direct style as nothing to deal with what I wanted to say. using "if", I shouldn't have used the tense "will"; I wanted to present a strong possibility. (I'm not a very good english speaker..).
I'll write a little more later.

Two special men villagers dead !

Nxou :

nxou a écrit:

Plus I have to mention that if a cupid dies fast by the villager's vote, it's possible that there are 2 traitor lovers, they may have persuaded one or the two wolves to vote for ongena.

I really don't understand what you've said.
Why should the traitors told the other wolves to kill Ongena ? I think the wolves don't need it to want to kill a villager... And I don't know how the traitors, if they exist, could know that Ongena was the Cupid...


Sylph :

Why are you so focused on the traitor couple ?
First, he may doesn't exist.
Secondly, he could be intersting for the village.
And finally, the way you speak too much about the couple and the traitor couple is strange.
Warning ! I don't say we mustn't loof for it, but I think you speak a lot about it and it could be dangerous for a village couple...


Jonya :

You look a bit... exaggerated and excessive when you talk about the death of the night.
I know it's dangerous for the village to loose 2 special villagers, but I think you overact...
However, except that, I agree with you for what you said after.


Am I the only to find fiyatlar strange?


Neutral-Bad feeling : Nxou and Arthur
Bad feeling : Fiyatlar & Frage & Sylph

I didn't speak a lot about Frage, but yesterday he gave me a bad feeling.
However, my main suspect keeps Fiyatlar.

Good evening,

Sorry that I post only now but I was in class all day and just came back now...

Concerning the two deaths, I can say that I'm surprised and ashamed... First I'm amshamed because Ongena and Christ was the two people I was suspecting the most... And now that I realize they were simple opponent, I can only say how wrong I was.

Then I'm surprised to see that Christ is the night victim: he was suspected and I think wolves let the persons that are suspected be sent to the fire...


Now to answer to Jonya:
When I said I thought Christ was acting in a strange manner (with his spy story), I just meant that he was acting in a strange manner, nothing more. But this plus the fact he said he could be captain in this game too I had big suspicion on him. And even more when I saw that he voted at 22;59 without any explanation. And I think that if he voted at this time, he was waiting to vote and if he was waiting to vote, I thought he would have the time to write his explanation. So yes, after the death of Ongena, Christ was the more suspect for me.... Hence my surprise when I saw who he really was...

So now, I must admit I'm totally lost... All my thoughts and my beliefs were wrong so I guess I would just have to think and analyze more to find wolves...

Jonya a écrit:

Except that, I have noticed what Nxou might be looking for : the weird and very late posts the last day.
I shall say Frage's attitude annoys me. Indeed, he comes back a few minutes before the ending of the votes and not to say amazing things that could have helped us avoid the mistake of Ongena. Moreover he double posts to vote against Ongena in a more that quick way (6 minutes before the end).
Anyway, after re-reading the Day 1, I shall say I don't have a super impression about you Frage.

I'm not going to say you annoy me...but really. "Not to say amazing things that could have helped us to avoid the mistake of Ongena"? Why do I have the strange impression you wash your hands on this? She did have the strangest of behavior. I'm sure I'm not the only one who voted against her for that reason?

I'm sorry for the double-post, as I accidentally erased my vote in the previous post. That was my mistake.

If you want to know why I changed my vote, it is simple. I wanted to give Ongena a chance to explain herself about her accusations. I thought I wouldn't have the chance to come back, so I voted against Christ. Finally, I managed to come back (I came back just before the end.) and I see she did answer. I was not convinced. So I changed my vote as I mistakenly thought she was a wolf.

But now that you make me think about it, if I was a wolf, I certainly wouldn't have changed my vote. Like that, Ongena would have died and you couldn't use my vote as an argument, could you? As there was already four votes against Ongena, it was already over. Don't you think a wolf would not add a vote so uselessly over-the-top? It provides clues against him.




On to business!

I've re-read Day one and I have seen no clue to Ongena's role. I couldn't have guessed she was the Cupid. I don't know if someone managed too? But I don't think the traitor lovers (IF they exist) could have guessed...

I did not see any indications that Christ could be the protector. (But his death is definitely weird...I thought for sure that Arthur or Sylph would die...Nobody voted against them and Arthur is the Head of the Brotherhood! Or maybe Christ was killed because the wolves thought he was the lover of a traitor couple? Unlikely, but Ongena's death revealed her role and his vote was the last. Just an hypothesis.)


Others have already said that, but the possibilité of a traitor couple rose weirdly fast...Maybe someone is afraid? Don't forget about the possibilité of a villager couple, and, well, if they die, we would be in trouble.

Well, I'm not so good at maths, so someone, please correct me.

As Ongena did not chose to be included in a couple, she had 11 targets, 3 of them are wolves, 1 is the independant, 7 are villagers. We know for a fact that the independant was not chosen. We know for another fact that Christ, a villager, was not chosen.

The choice is now: 3 wolves, 5 opponents.

Chances for a traitor couple: 3/8 * 5/7= 26.78 %

Chances for a wolves couple: 3/8 * 2/7= 10.71%

Chances for a villager couple: 5/8 * 4/7= 35.71 %


...it doesn't add up. (So my calculations are wrong.)

But I guess there is still more chance of a villager couple.



I'll come back later.

Give up on those sentences those were just to get reaction on the moment or to start some fight.

Yes I voted ongena cause after like 30hours, no one spoke or voted, so I chose the one which showed some strange behaviour.

There is a high probability that arthur has been chosen by ongena in the couple. Usually it's a good way to check the captain and with luck to put him in traitor couple.
If Arthur is a wolf and don't die tomorrow you can be sure wolf will win, or it will be a fight with the traitor couple.

Actually I have a very bad feeling about fiyaltar too, she acts like a wolf, but on my mind she is less dangerous than Arthur.

I forgot the sorcerer, I suggest to him if Arthur is not killed this night do it and save the victim.

I got a bad feeling against sylph too.

I would kinda trust jonya frage and kopec for the moment.

What do you suggest ? voting against fiyaltar and pray the sorcerer isn't in traitor couple ? or judge arthur today.

You know, I see a lot of people seem not to trust Fiyatlar and I really can't see why. Okay, she's not always coherent, because she's a new player, but usually, new players wouldn't be so imprudent, wouldn't they?

Her actions are way too visible for a wolf. (Changing her vote? While her vote was the fourth for Ongena, At that time, Christ did not vote yet and I didn't change my vote yet. And even if Christ died, she, IF she was a wolf, would be better off persisting in suspecting Christ. It's not like if he was often there to defend himself, was he?

I have strong supscicions against Arthur, as well as a really bad feeling. As I said, without wanting to be omnious, the very fact you're still alive makes you supscicious. (I know, not helping much.)

Well I begin to feel upset by the ones that said I was not coherent in the choice of my victim, that I changed my vote. If you read again my posts, you'll see I said I would vote against Ongena cause he was my suspect number one, and that I would try to let Christ a chance to explain itself, even if I had strong suspicions on him too. And I voted against Ongena, so I stayed coherent in my vote decision...

After if it's in my arguments or explanation that I am not coherent, I'm sorry, I may have difficulty in explaining how I think: English is not my mother tongue...

Frage: thanks for what you've said but I must say I don't really see why you did it! Either you really think it and that'OK, either it's some kind of tactic to make me think you are innocent because I said I was totally lost today... In any case, saying that won't make me think you are more innocent or guilty that someone else. So if it was what you were trying to do, it didn't work...

Now about your stastitics: I'm not good at maths too so I didn't check your results but what I can say from them is :
- ok according to you, there are more chances to have a villager couple.
- but if we take both the results of a traitor couple and of a wolf couple, there are more chances to have a couple that is ennemy of the villager.
- so, we still have to pay attention to the potential couple: if it's ennemy of the villager, we should try to eliminate it.

Saying that we have to be sure of the couple because if I count there are 3 wolves for 6 villagers. If the couple is made of villagers and if we kill it, it will be 3wolves for 4 villagers. Plus the victim of next night... there could be tomorrow 3 wolves for 3 villagers if the sorceres doesn't do its job...And if Arthur is a wolf, it would lead to 4 votes for wolves and in this case we have lost...

I know it's a lots of IF's but it can really happen so we have to be very sure of what we do..

I think we should kill the couple if we are sure of who they are and that it's a wolf or a traitor one. If we're not sure, let's try to kill a wolf today...

Nxou: you said Arthur has hight probability to be in the couple due to Ongena being Cupid. According to you, he is in what kind of couple??? If Arthur's a wolf, it can only be a bad one, but are you sure of it??? Who is his lover?
Oh and can you tell me why you suspect me??? I would like to have a chance to answer...

What do you others think???

I'm not sure of it. I just think about the fact he is still there day 3 and he don't try to get information but just to influence the debate so it won't go in a wrong direction for him, so I guess he is either wolf or in a traitor couple, it's like 80%. Plus the fact he overplayed the fact I presented my self to avoid a wolf getting the leadership ...

I have no idea of the people in love, but there is 70% arthur is in.

I suspect you fiyatlar , first cause when I read everyone of you post I had a bad feeling like you were choosing your words carefully, like you did not attack or took a clear position, you always stays on the doubt line which is for me the best tactic to play as an enemy, and I know it for sure ...

kopec a écrit:

I wouldn’t have said either that nxou was suspect for that. He just cherishes his misty behavior.

Yes I do but I don't think I'm that misty in this game, I got my own limits with english and so I'm very direct with it.

So I checked and sylph voted against me very early, he can be either in the same case I was there yesterday, or he hope it will happen the same way, plus I got the very bad feeling than first Maléfique then Christ then Me to the fire is like a way to eliminate potential and 'supposed' dangerous opponent with less active one like christ between to make it pass finger in the nose..

So yes I got a bad feeling too against sylph, why accusing me on nothing ? You have dozen of other possibilities in the debate. I think it hides an 'evil' thing if I have to take your words against you.

Ok Nxou, thanks for your thoughts on Arthur.

I'll try to answer you about me. For your first reason, like I choose my words carefully: yes I am choosing my words carefully, maily for two reasons. The first one is that I'm not a fluent english player, so I do have to think at the words I will use to try to make clear sentence (which I notice is not the case because some people think I'm not coherent). The second reason is that I now in a game like this one that there are huge interpretation differences between a "will" and a "would", between a "can' and a "could", etc. And interpretions leads to feelings, thoughts, impressions that can be right or wrong... So yes, I'm trying to use the best word to clearly say what I think. Losing due a word or a syntax mistake is a shame and I have already seen it in others games... If I have to lose, I don't want it to be due to that.

For the fact that I don't take a clear position, it's because I don't want to accuse someone without argument or that I'm not quite sure... I really have to think about people to know if I trully believe in their guilt or innocence... I took a clear position with Ongena and Christ (at least I think I did)... But like they were both innocent, I'm now a little bit lost and I don't take clear position because I don't have someone to clearly accuse.

If you want I can make you a list of my suspects but it will be made with the feelings I have about others...

Lol (Laughing Out Loud), I'm not a couple and I'm not a wolf. I thought you had understood why I presented myself. It's only if I stay at the role of Chief that the village can win.
I have no link with Jonya, Kopec!
Frage, why if the werewolves didn't kill me for this reason? I only pass over two nights.

Ongena voted against Frage and then fiyatlar last day. As if he suspected his couple to be wolf + opponent.
There is 33% chances to kill a wolf. It can be elarge: Fiyatlar, Jonya, Sylph, Nxou, Frage, Christ voted against Ongena, and I'm sure there is at least two werewolves in there. Christ is dead. Fiyatlar, Jonya, Sylph, Nxou and Frage. Names that are very discussed right now. In this case, I trust Morgan and Kopec. I don't have an opinion on Deass for the moment. Fiyatlar seems an easy victim. Werewolves are three and can lead the debate easely. If he is a couple wolf + opponent, it's obvious werewolves will accuse him. But if he's not and if he's not a wolf there are too much people against him (except one!). Kopec accused me. But according to me he seems to be an opponent. Immediately, nxou did the same. And Frage as well, but maybe he has an different reason than Nxou. Nevertheless I already had bad feelings against Nxou (he was my suspect number after Christ). I think Nxou pulls the strings from the beginning!

(sorry for my very bad English)

Edit:

Arthur (4) < Jonya, Arthur, Morgan, Sylph
Toyoraura (3) < Christ, Toyoraura, Maléfique
Nxou (3) < Frage, Nxou, Fiyatlar
Christ (1) < Ongena

Christ and Maléfique, opponents, voted for Toyo (= Deass). So I think I can trust him to.
It's strange that Frage and Fiyatlar voted both for Nxou.
Ongena voted for Christ, but for one or another it's not useful anymore.
Jonya, Sylph and Morgan voted for me, maybe one is a wolf, but it gives me a good impression.
I remember a sentence said by Nxou about Frage, as if he wanted to justify the Frage's vote: "it's good to have someone to put some trust in".

Hello my english is too bad and him too tired so sorry for the mistakes.


I read all of the last day and I have "bad feeligns". I'm note sure of my choice because Toyo don't play has me , but for me Two players are very suspect :

Sylph and his obsession .

Frage and his Attitude .

Sorry my examinations are very hard .

I vote against Frage

Kopec Kron Wazaa a écrit:

[color=darkred]Sorry, a contingency arose. I can’t stay any longer, and post my remarks in a hurry.

Arthur a écrit:

I have no link with Jonya, Kopec!

You might. You could also, being a wolf, taking advantage of what Jonya said on you, without her being wolf.
I still don’t understand : apparently, you used to present yourself at the beginning of the forum. When Jonya wasn’t here to notice.

I want an answer on this before voting against you. Or Jonya.

I can't answer, Jonya said that so I thought she was there because indeed I used to present myself at the beginning. Maybe I presented myself once, Jonya was there, and I wasn't elected, or maybe she takes me for another person. She is the one who can answer your question in fact.

Arthur a écrit:

Immediately, nxou did the same.
Nevertheless I already had bad feelings against Nxou (he was my suspect number after Christ).
I think Nxou pulls the strings from the beginning!
It's strange that Frage and Fiyatlar voted both for Nxou.
I remember a sentence said by Nxou about Frage, as if he wanted to justify the Frage's vote: "it's good to have someone to put some trust in".

Well what's wrong ? in fact I do not do it immediately because I was conducting debate on that.
Why you don't want to vote against me ? It's too obvious that if I die you'll be burn next day ? I guess it will.

Say it ? vote against me ! you can change in any case, why you don't take the risk ?

It's funny the way you presents things, you look for evidence and place doubtful sentences about me. So you want people to be influenced by the doubt ?

I like the last sentence you quoted as an 'evidence' it's just a good trap.

I may be wrong or I may vote against the scrapegoat, I don't think there is a chance you're the sorcerer so I'll vote against Arthur.

Nxou, you are saying I'm attacking you on nothing, but maybe is it because you don't say anything. Hence, I shall admit I have "nothin" against you. I guess it's quite enough. I mean, that you make little pic to provoke people on the first day of debate is OK. Really. I did the same, so how could I criticize you about this ? I really can't. But when I see how you behave now, espcially towards me (sorry, I'm a bit egocentric), I really feel like you are a manipulating wolf. I hate this feeling and actually, I hate it coz it often turns out that I'm right.

Nevertheless, I've taken the time to read what has been said from the beginning. And something has caught my attention. Our dear chief is still alive. Yes, that's well-seen. But couldn't we have here a wolf that tries to burn the chief ? I'm pretty sure that if the chief hasn't been killed, it was to draw attention on his longevity. That's what I use to call a classical wolf manipulation. Hence, I wonder if Kopec isn't a wolf. He seems quite at ease in this debate when he is supposedly... a newcomer. I'm hesitating between a good external point of view or a bad bad wolf. Unfortunately, I feel it much more like a wolf.


I remark by the way that I was also suprised not to be the victim of the night, for I voted for our actual chief and I am quite not much suspected (except by Nxou and his provocations that means nothing to me ^^"). That means quite much two things for me.
First of all, I was on the wrong way (the role of Ongena prooved it quite well, I think ^^""")
Secondly, Frage, who made this remark sounds as being on my side. I mean, I'm pretty much convinced that if she was a wolf, she would have killed me. Unless she is trying to do the same thing with me as Kopec is doing with Arthur.

So I believe Arthur and Nxou quite innocent in the end.


I shall vote forKopec. (unless he is not the first one to have talked about Arthur's weird survival. I wanna vote for this person. Can anyone tell me who it is if I am mistaking ?)

By the way Kopec, when I say proud, it's because I'm sort of making some Role Play. It was a bit excessive, but how would you feel if you learnt you were going to fight a whole establishment ? A whole authority ? I'd feel excited and prouf at the same time! That argument you used was quite... Rubbish! xD

What do you want to expand, Jonya ? When you are a good wolf, you tend to kill innocent people, don't you ? She pointed it out. That means she knows this strategy. If she was wolf, she would have used it for sure and I wouldn't be there to talk about it. That's about all. Do you need more explanation ?

(Therefore, if she votes for me because of my innocence, then I'll apply the same theory to her as I did with Kopec. She's a wolf trying to make me suspect by leaving me alive ! But that's not the case for the moment, is it ? )